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  • Tales from the Echobox 019

    Tales from the Echobox 019

    Interview by Joe Leonard-Walters | Edited by Passion Dzenga Launching in 2021, Echobox has been forging a path for community radio by showcasing the diverse characters and concepts that surround them. In this feature, we will be looking into a few of the broadcasts that you can tune into so get locked in and don’t touch that dial. Today, we're diving into the world of experimental electronics with Oneven, the creator and host of PITCH SHIFT on Echobox. Known for its spontaneous and raw approach to live electronic music, PITCH SHIFT has become a staple for boundary-pushing sounds and thought-provoking conversations in Amsterdam’s electronic scene.   Oneven’s show is about community, collaboration and celebrating artistry over clout. Since its inception, the show has showcased both local and international artists, offering a platform where creative minds break down their sounds, setups, and stories. Whether it’s DJ Beukeboom’s live Baile Funk set or Stefhanja’s seismic-inspired soundscapes, Oneven’s open format invites the unexpected.   It’s not just about genres or trends - it’s about diving into the essence of sound and discovering what drives each artist to create. From exploring groundbreaking music gear to hosting icons like Chase Bliss, Oneven’s unprepared, organic style has made PITCH SHIFT a space where authenticity reigns.   We’ll be talking to Oneven about his love for music tech, why live electronic performances deserve more attention in Amsterdam, and his dream guests, from Aphex Twin to Madlib. Plus, we’ll touch on his views of the city’s evolving music scene and why he believes in staying rebellious and raw. Let’s shift some pitches and get into it! You can catch up with this show now on Echobox Radio. Your show has turned into a real touch-point for experimental electronics in Amsterdam. Why was it important to do something so collaborative?I think the show has a healthy mixture of experimental and more traditional electronic music. My first ever guest was DJ Beukeboom who did a live Baile Funk show, but yeah we do also occasionally dive into the more abstract areas of electronic music. It depends on the artist I invite. I never think of genres when finding guests, but rather about what motivates someone to pursue a certain sound, is the sound representative of their background, etcetera. This is important to me as it helps me filter out artists in it for clout vs. Artistry. Anyhow, in terms of collaboration it depends on the guest, some shows go down like that, others don’t. The behind Pitch Shift is simple: an artist comes over, plays some tracks and we talk about how they made it and how they translate their ideas from a studio setting into a live show. But since the show is called Pitch Shift it occasionally goes in a completely different direction. Sort of like when you pitch shift a sample: you have the source material, but what you do with it can change the outcome completely. This also means I never prepare for any of my shows. This works best for me cause it allows the interviewing part to be spontaneous and authentic. I could write down some fictional backstory about why I do this, but honestly it just happened organically. I love it because when the pressure is on your brain starts coming up with some nice questions on the spot. As to the importance of the show: It was and is still important to me to shine a light on artists that perform live. Amsterdam is flooded with DJ’s which is cool, but there are not enough opportunities for live electronic music. To my knowledge bookers are a bit afraid about someone turning up with a whole studio worth of equipment, but really it can be done with just one or two pieces of gear. All in all I just wanted to be selfless and give something back to the community. In my own past experiences I noticed a lot of shows were done to promote the host, that was my inspiration to do things differently. You also talk a lot about technology in music, where did the obsession with music gear start?Growing up in the 90’s there was a lot good electronic music being shared on a commercial level on the TV so it was fairly easy to get exposed to the works of, for example, Aphex Twin. Also video games had a ton of great soundtracks that peaked my interest in the tech. I was always opening up electronics and fucking around with circuits trying to make sense of all those alien components. It’s just so happened I’m naturally attracted to technology that is also used to make electronic instruments. Perhaps I would have been into trains or planes if I hadn’t been exposed to electronic music. That said, I’m still quite into watching videos on how a cockpit works. I like gear a lot, but these days it’s a more a novelty. Like yes a 5K euro 8 voice poly synth sounds good, but there are 15 year old kids out there making absolute bangers on a shitty old laptop. Ultimately it’s all about being able to create and express yourself with as little latency between your idea and output so whatever works best is what you should go for. I am now mostly using a laptop with Ableton and Max/MSP to produce and in the mixing stage run things through hardware. Computers are so powerful and you can basically do anything you want once you become proficient with the software. In my opinion it is a far more exciting place to be than in a studio with tons of analog subtractive synths. Also not being dependant on a physical space is amazing for your creativity. All you need for electronic music these days is to be interested in learning, some software and a pair of decent headphones. Only thing that sucks about computers is that they are built to become obsolete, near impossible to repair as a consumer and some software becomes outdated. What have been particular highlights of your show?My recent ones with Tyler and Liz from Chase Bliss and the one with Stefhanja are my current faves. Chase Bliss was personally amazing to me cause I love the pedals they make. They are really pushing the limits of what you can do with guitar pedals so I was very happy to learn they have a European office in Amsterdam and that they were down to come to the studio and talk. My show with Stefhanja was really fun to do too. She has a device called the Geofón which is made by LOM Audio. It’s like a microphone, but made to detect seismic activity. We ran the signal through a bunch of equipment and made some beautiful soundscapes and textures. It was pure expression and it turned out so nice. We both had no preparation so it could have gone horribly wrong, but in the end I think our honest enjoyment is what kept it going in a good direction. Dream guest?Oh there are multiple ones. Autechre, Aphex Twin and BoC are obvious ones, right? Would be a very autistic show in the best way possible. But also would love to have Madlib or The Alchemist on. I listen to their music more than electronic music(it is technically also electronic though) to be honest. It’s so raw, organic and inspiring to me. Big fan of the Freddie Gibbs records they both did. Actually I know The Alchemist is a fan of Patta and visits Amsterdam often so maybe someone should make this happen. Live beat making on the Echobox airwaves… lets fucking go. Also dead ones would be Florian Schneider of Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk’s influence on music is unparalleled. Computer World laid the foundation for most of the stuff you hear now. What's most exciting to you in the Amsterdam music scene right now?I’m a bit of a hermit and this is probably not the answer people want to read but honestly, compared to The Hague and Rotterdam I think in general Amsterdam is lacking rawness and rebelliousness in the electronic scene so there’s not much for me personally to get excited about.I’m generalising of course as places like Bar San Francisco and events such as Weather Report at Bar Theo are great and resonate with me on a personal level. In the end I think that’s what counts, having a few places that you like to visit. Weather Report always surprises me as I go in blind. To me It’s not even about liking all the music, but seeing people use music as a tool to express themselves will always get me excited.I don’t have much interest in most clubs as they feel too image driven. Would much rather see someone unknown play amazing and unexpected shit they love than another Instagram famous DJ play whatever is trending if you know what I mean. I think Amsterdam clubs have a lot of potential, but we need to remember what made electronic music special in the first place: fuck playing it safe and fuck status. Be rebellious and treat every event like it’s your first and last and don’t worry too much about opinions. Next up we’re diving into the world of Het Kan Wel with Sara Liz and Wies, hosts of the most eclectic and spontaneous breakfast radio show on Echobox. It’s a potpourri of music, conversations, and unfiltered thoughts - where everything is possible. The name itself, Het Kan Wel (It Is Possible), was born from a wild King’s Day party in a bathtub, a playful declaration that nothing is truly impossible - though some things are better left undone (like moving to Mars). Sara Liz and Wies are the kind of duo who embrace the unexpected, bouncing from obscure beats and electronic sounds to slow and soulful vibes all before lunch. Their musical tastes may clash at times - Sara Liz loves starting the day with high-energy beats, while Wies prefers a more gradual wake-up - but that’s exactly what makes their dynamic work. Over the years, their friendship and music tastes have intertwined, creating a show that’s as unpredictable as it is refreshing. Inspired by the casual and humorous format of Charlie Bones’ Do!! You!! radio show, Het Kan Wel feels like an open invitation to just exist, be playful, and let whatever happens, happen. From bird sounds to bold musical statements, the duo’s chemistry keeps listeners guessing and makes space for serendipitous moments. We're gonna take a turn with this week's edition, switching to Dutch so we can  properly champion Het Kan Wel (if you want to get familiar but are not a Dutch speaker feel free to ask your favourite search engine to translate the following chapter). You can catch up with their show now on Echobox Radio.Wat is het verhaal achter de naam van jullie show, Het Kan Wel? W: Het verhaal is ontstaan op een vrij liederlijke en uitzinnige nacht na koningsdag, in een badkuip tijdens een diepte interview in het huis waar wij destijds samen woonden. Tijdens het interview kwamen we allen tot het inzicht dat vrijwel niets niet onmogelijk is.Verder (en nuchter) daarover nadenkend kom je er achter dat alles wel kán, maar je sommige dingen beter kan laten. Zoals bijvoorbeeld naar Mars reizen.  SL: “Wies en ik woonden lang samen, acht jaar in een huis in de Vogelbuurt, ook met Veer en Daaf en Boontje, het hondje. We grepen momenten voor een feestje vaak met velen handen aan. Op een van deze feestjes op Koningsdag dus,  begon een vriendin ons te interviewen in bad en wij vertelden dat we een band waren begonnen (lees; dit is dus fictief, wij hadden verzonnen dat we een band waren). Er werd doorgevraagd en wij gaven een heel interview over onze hit “Het Kan Wel”. De tekst van het liedje was niet bijster intelligent, mede door het tijdstip en alles. Maar wij vonden onze ‘hit’ bij het huis passen en zo is ons huis steeds meer Het Kan Wel gaan heten. Het Kan Wel is een mooie zin om in verschillende gemoedstoestanden te zeggen: overmatig enthousiast, verdrietig, schuldbewust of teleurgesteld. Als je de klemtoon van de zin verandert, krijgt het ook een andere betekenis. Of als je een liedje opzet dat niet ‘in tune’ is met het vorige (het wordt voor mij snel erg zalvig), dan zeg ik vaak tegen Wies: ‘Het kan ook weer wel’.” Tijdens de pandemie waren het vrienden in Antwerpen die een online radioshow begonnen genaamd Tijden van Nood. Alle makers konden vanuit hun woonkamer inpluggen en via muziek op de hoogte blijven van elkaar. Toen is de show officieel zo begonnen te heten.  Is er een andere ontbijt-radioshow die jullie qua format heeft geïnspireerd? W: Natuurlijk Charlie Bones met de Do!! You!! radioshow. Toch wel een soort grondlegger van de ongedwongen radioshow, met veel humor, een breed scala aan muziek en lekker erdoor heen praten.  SL: “Ik heb veel naar Do!! You!! van Charley Bones geluisterd en ik denk dat ik wel elke maand een vogel laat horen, dus ook; “Vroege Vogels.” Hebben jullie een favoriete show tot nu toe? SL: “Moeilijke vraag, want er is zoveel niche en zoveel talent! Donnies Dreamshow, 1.06SS was een poosje na ons, ook echt heerlijk. Joy die nu na ons is, Friday is a Sunday, Recovery Chanel, BSS, Loma Doom… te veel om op te noemen.” W: Vind het ook moeilijk om te zeggen, het is zo leuk om te zien hoe iedereen in die opnamestudio zijn eigen wereld creëert. Het is heel grappig, want je wisselt elkaar natuurlijk af aan het einde van de show, maar dan treedt de volgende persoon altijd echt even jouw wereld binnen of jij in de wereld van de DJ voor je. Ik vind dat zo mooi om te zien, en horen. Maar als ik het moet zeggen: Friday is a sunday, recovery channel, BSS, Joygail.   Hoe vind je het presenteren als duo tot nu toe? Waar zijn jullie het nou echt over oneens? W: Voor we bij echobox begonnen, maakte we tijdens Corona al een show op Tijden van Nood. Een soort piratenzender opgezet door vrienden zodat we allemaal een beetje in contact konden blijven met elkaar. Dat was heel leuk, maar tussen mij en Sara Liz ging dat niet echt zonder slag of stoot haha. We maakte echt live ruzie op de radio soms, wat ook wel heel grappig is achteraf.  We hebben gewoon een vrij uiteenlopende muzieksmaak die soms een beetje botst op sommige punten. Sara Liz is soms vrijwillig bereid om keihard te knallen om 11 uur ‘smorgens, waar ik persoonlijk ook nog even wakker moet worden. Dat kan wel eens in het verkeerde oorgat schieten. Maar Sara Liz vind dat ik soms te sloom draai, wat ik echt complete nonsens vindt.  Ik vind het wel leuk om te merken dat hoe langer we bevriend zijn onze smaken naar elkaar toegroeien, en we tegenwoordig echt vaak dezelfde dingen heel vet vinden. SL: “Wij zijn er rijkelijk vaak oneens geweest over muziek. Beiden komen we uit een andere muzikale interesse en huishouden. Bij mij stond thuis altijd muziek aan van Kink Radio (techno-uurtjes op zaterdag), Moloko, veel elektronische muziek, beats, Burial, Prince en ik maakte bandjes van Afrikaanse obscure radio. In mijn wereld kan dit allemaal door elkaar heen en naast elkaar. Veel bewegen op muziek, het kan me echt even omsluiten, ahh ik hou zo van beats! Wies weet ook veel van muziek, maar kent meer instrumentale bandjes. Dus als ik plots de boel opschud… krijg ik wel een diepe zucht of scheve blik. Maar het laatste jaar heb ik wel steeds meer het gevoel dat we naar elkaar groeien of elkaars input kunnen waarderen.  Bij wat denken jullie nou: “Het kan niet”? Oorlog, Trump, Elon Musk, de anti-abortus beweging, te harde techno om 11 uur smorgens (lul niet Wies!), te veel witte mannen in 1 ruimte, eten met weinig vet en zout, naar mars gaan, de verkoop van sociale huurwoningen, fabel friet, grote Ego’s, dat alles een restaurant moet worden, veel vlees eten, niet nederig zijn, geen humor hebben laat staan zelfspot en enkelsokken bij mannen bij -3, niet zingen op de fiets en niet lachen om een scheet. Tune in to Echobox - broadcasting from below sea level every week, Thursday until Sunday.
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  • Tales from the Echobox 018

    Tales from the Echobox 018

    Interview by Joe Leonard-Walters | Edited by Passion DzengaLaunching in 2021, Echobox has been forging a path for community radio by showcasing the diverse characters and concepts that surround them. In this feature, we will be looking into a few of the broadcasts that you can tune into so get locked in and don’t touch that dial.From one-half of Black Cadmium to the mastermind behind GLXY Records, Joginda is a force to be reckoned with in the electronic music scene. Known for his no-filter, everything-goes approach, his creative energy flows through every project he touches — from label releases and radio shows to curating unforgettable club nights."It's just an illusion, nothing is real," he says, channeling his instinctive, gut-driven vision into GLXY, a label dedicated to championing fresh talent while pushing sonic boundaries. With his Fam. event series set to debut during the International Film Festival Rotterdam, Joginda is creating a space where emerging artists stand shoulder-to-shoulder with seasoned pros, reigniting the essence of the underground club scene.We caught up with him to talk about the philosophy driving GLXY, what makes a great club night, his dream radio guest, and what’s next for the label. You can catch up with this show now on Echobox Radio.GLXY is going from strength to strength with new releases, radio shows and now your FAM events. What's the vision that ties it all together?GLXY is still a young label, so I’m definitely still finding my footing. But right now, my vision for GLXY Recs is to strike a balance between showcasing fresh, emerging talent and more seasoned artists who have a unique sound — or simply a vibe I love playing in my sets. Eventually, I want to push the boundaries and release more experimental music on the label too. I tend to be pretty impulsive with these decisions, letting my gut guide me.The GLXY radio show, on the other hand, is where I get to spotlight what’s coming up on the label while also sharing tracks from new artists who send me demos. If I vibe with their sound and it fits with who I am as a DJ, I make it a point to give them a platform.Fam. is a concept I’ve been wanting to launch for a while now — even back in my Black Cadmium days. But with everything I’m already doing — DJing, running the label, hosting the radio show — I had to find the right moment and collaborators to make it happen. Now, I’ve teamed up with GIRLS, a young artist and DJ collective from Rotterdam, and on January 31st, during the International Film Festival Rotterdam, we’re finally bringing Fam. to life.The idea behind Fam. is about creating a space for emerging talent to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with established artists from GLXY Recs. For this first edition, we’ve got Panda Lassow and Prince Pasensi headlining the GLXY stage, alongside a lineup that blends fresh faces with seasoned performers. It’s a night where the energy of the next generation meets the experience of the pros.What do you think makes a good club night?Good, affordable club nights are rare these days. But for me, what really makes a club night great is when there’s a balance in the lineup — fresh talent mixed with more established names — and if that’s paired with an enthusiastic crowd, that’s the perfect combo.I come from the club scene myself, and I’d love to see a stronger focus on that again, rather than these massive festivals that are almost impossible to afford for the new and upcoming generation of ravers. With this club night, we’re trying to do our part to bring that energy back. If you could invite anyone (alive or dead) as a guest on your show, who would it be?These questions are always tricky for me because you end up naming someone who probably doesn’t need any extra attention. That’s usually how it goes, right? But if I were to invite someone from the more established names, it would definitely be Skee Mask. I’m a huge fan of him as both a DJ and producer, and I find myself appreciating his work more and more, especially his productions. I’d love to have him play a show sometime, who knows :)How do you use your show to showcase GLXY records?With the GLXY radio show, I really try to create a space where the sound and vision of the label come to life. It’s where I showcase upcoming releases from GLXY Records and give listeners a taste of what’s to come. But it’s not just about what’s already on the label — I also use the show to highlight fresh talent and new music from artists who send me demos. If their sound fits the vibe of the label and my sets, I’ll make sure to feature them. For me, the show is about building a connection between the label, the music, and the wider scene — it’s like a sonic diary of where GLXY is heading.What's next for the label?I’ve just finished my own EP, so logically, that could be the next release on the label. But I’ve also got some amazing producers lined up for the coming year. Like I mentioned before, I’m pretty impulsive in how I work, so the exact release order isn’t set in stone yet. Ultimately, though, I want the freedom to put my own music out there whenever it feels right, while continuing to push the sounds and artists that inspire me.From adventurous electronic music label topo2: label head, music enthusiast, avid vinyl & mp3 collector/tracklist fundamentalist, Bert de Rooij (previously hosting under his bertbert cloak), will juxtapose music from every corner of the 'experimental' electronic music spectrum. With more than 20 years behind the decks, this seasoned DJ and curator has built a career on pushing the boundaries of experimental electronic music. From his early bertbert radio show to the creation of topo2, his new label and creative platform, his ethos has always been about championing fresh sounds and breaking free from genre constraints.  In this interview, we delve into his passion for radio as an art form, the obsessive attention to detail that defines his craft (spoiler: tracklists are non-negotiable), and how his love of electronic music informs the vision for topo2. As a label, blog, and newsletter, topo2 is more than just a platform for releases — it’s a space to celebrate everything that makes up the beautifully niche corners of the electronic music ecosystem.  We also discuss his proudest achievements, including the debut release from upsammy, and what’s next as he prepares to drop even more boundary-pushing sounds. You can catch up with this show now on Echobox Radio.Your show has a very clear ethos - why is it so important to push the freshest experimental electronic music?I actually think it’s not always as clear to the world as it is in my own head. topo2, and previously my bertbert radio show, are basically outlets for me to share music that I’m enthusiastic about in a mix format. Being a DJ for more than 20 years now, I still think mixtapes or radio shows are the best format to appreciate electronic music outside of an event. An hour of radio or a dedicated mixtape creates a new piece of art in itself and brings a different context to all the different tracks in the set. My ethos has always been trying not to be scared by genres when DJ’ing. I would describe my taste as quite broad within the spectrum of niche electronic music, but I tend to spend most of my time listening to “electronica”, ““experimental”” (that one just deserves two pairs of air quotes), and “ambient”. Do expect some dancefloor-oriented house, techno, and bass music too.What's the nerdiest thing on your USB?Waving the nerd-flag myself feels a bit uncomfortable, but there are interesting things on my USB for sure. I have a few playlists with dedicated loops or vocals, drum patterns, and sometimes just a 1/4 hi-hat that I really like that I can use as layers over other tracks as they’re going.What’s not on my USB but addresses the spirit of the question is my obsession with tracklists. I have debated this with a lot of people, but I think they are mandatory for every mix out there except for when you’re solely playing your own music. I think you should take every chance to platform art that you’re wild about, and more importantly, as a DJ, you are building your art from the fruits of others.You've just started a new label; how much does this ethos inform your vision for topo2?It’s basically the same! The topo2 world gives me the chance to do a bit more than only playing music, though. Navigating a label within the music industry usually is done from a kinda strict point of view, only communicating on the label’s output. With topo2, I like to broaden the scope to the wider ecosystem and be enthusiastic about everything that forms this silly corner of the music spectrum.I’m releasing music on a myriad of formats, and I can blog about music I like on my website. I also started a monthly newsletter where I recommend music that caught my ear. I hope to both engage with fellow music heads that already recognize most of the music and curious minds that are not in the know about what’s in some random niche pocket of the electronic music spectrum.You say that your label is about exciting music, whether you've released it or not - what's most exciting to you at the moment?The volume of good and interesting music being released! Just a few examples here below. Other than that, I’m still super proud of the first release by upsammy on the label I did last November! I can’t wait to drop the next three releases I’ve worked on for the last year and a half. More news on that soon!https://mirrorzone.bandcamp.com/album/proxygen-proxygen?from=embedhttps://melkeane.bandcamp.com/album/airs?from=embedhttps://howaboutplor.bandcamp.com/album/orchestration-of-my-joy?from=embedhttps://brukrecords.bandcamp.com/album/earth-rotation-2?from=embedhttps://33-33.bandcamp.com/album/instinctTune in to Echobox - broadcasting from below sea level every week, Thursday until Sunday.
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  • Tales from the Echobox 017

    Tales from the Echobox 017

    Interview by Joe Leonard-Walters | Edited by Passion DzengaLaunching in 2021, Echobox has been forging a path for community radio by showcasing the diverse characters and concepts that surround them. In this feature, we will be looking into a few of the broadcasts that you can tune into so get locked in and don’t touch that dial.Feel all the feelings: in Hysteria, angelboy plays music that evokes a different emotion every month. You can catch up with this show now on Echobox Radio. Your show plays on emotions and the way we experience them from music - why was important that your show is so personal?I’ve always been someone who feels things deeply (for my astrology girlies: Pisces and water signs DOWN). Emotions are at the core of everything I do, but for a long time, I felt like they were something to tone down. This show became my way of doing the opposite — of cherishing and exploring feelings through music.Besides that, I don’t like to be bound by genres. It makes no sense for me to structure music based on what elements a song has, but rather what it does to you while listening to it. With Hysteria, I wanted to create something that people could use to either shift their mood or fully lean into their emotions. Whether it’s to go from feeling annoyed to finding joy or to dive into grief, embrace it, and hopefully find relief afterward. What's the most hysterical track on your USB?‘Meaning what exactly’ by Coil: a captivating, eerie, and melancholic track that lends itself for many emotional interpretations – as the title implies. I think that is the beauty of music: it can evoke different feelings in everyone, based on taste or experiences. Hysteria thrives on this idea, with guest shows often flipping my own perspective. A song I might find sad could feel euphoric to someone else. With Hysteria you start to hear music not just through your own lens, but through someone else’s emotional state, and it shifts the way you experience it. Is there as much emotion in your DJ sets and productions as your radio shows?Definitely, but in a different way. While Hysteria is about one emotional theme, in my DJ sets I want to guide people through multiple emotions. I often start with tracks that spark curiosity, then slip into more repetitive rhythms that feel meditative, and then it’s about balancing feelings of ecstasy with rougher feelings like frustration or anger. By the end, I aim for a sense of release, leaving you somewhere different from where we started. As well as an Echobox resident, you’re a published author. How does your show relate to your writing?Music and writing are two sides of the same coin for me — they both evoke emotions in unique ways. I always feature poetry in my shows because, like music, it distills feelings into their purest form. A few words can spark something profound, just like a melody or sound. What I love most is how both leave space for interpretation, encouraging listeners or readers to bring their own experiences into the mix. Hysteria is about blending these forms, offering both sound and text as a way to make emotions resonate.Screamo Listening Sessions is a monthly radio show with Marvin Schippmann and more: amplifying emotional & daring music with a lot of screaming. You can catch up with this show now on Echobox Radio.Turns out it isn't just a phase - how did your love affair with screamo start?In the mid-2000’s, when I was between 15 and 16 years old and myspace was still around - I began my journey into the realm of heavier music, and started listening to more punk, hardcore, (mainstream) emo (think of My Chemical Romance) as well as also a lot of metalcore which was all extremely popular at the time. At the time, I had a full-on “scene” phase with black dyed hair, eyeliner and skinny jeans - and most heavy music was introduced to me through friends from school or concerts, bands linking other bands on their myspace page, printed magazines - and of course live shows and festivals’ line-ups. Most festivals were either too expensive for me to visit or far away such as in the US (thinking of Vans Warped Tour, etc.), but I still used the line-ups on festival posters as reference for bands to check out. Ultimately, I still ended up listening to a lot of the heavy music for the mainstream throughout my teenage years and only very little of the music and the shows I experienced in Germany (mainly in Hamburg) during my teenage years, retained much the DIY ethos, honesty, depth and radical form of emotional expression, which were and are essential to screamo and the DIY community. Although there are numerous and important DIY spaces in Hamburg, it took me a while to get to know about them and even longer to get familiar with people involved.    It was actually years later, after I moved to Amsterdam, started studying and eventually began an internship at Patta - that my love for heavy music and in particular screamo would be reignited. I properly fell in love with screamo rather late, in my mid-20’s - when I started to explore more of the genuine roots of the mainstream music I was fed /consumed during my teenage years. For the past 7 years, screamo has been with me every day - and thanks to Echobox I have been able to proclaim my love and admiration for this genre, heavy music as well as DIY culture in public with Screamo Listening Sessions every four weeks, for the past three years. Do you find catharsis in the intense music, or is the rest of your life just as intense?Yes - there is definitely something cathartic about intense music, whether it is screamo, metal, dub or techno. I have been working at Patta for the past 9 years and it is never boring - and especially in busier periods and even stressful moments, music has always functioned as ventile. In particular, feeling overwhelmed and being able to let go of this feeling until feeling at ease with everything (even despite everything) - are two recurring states I find myself in when experiencing intense music, especially at live events. In the process of letting go and accepting being utterly overwhelmed, I often find myself most at ease and in sync with the music around me.    I am actually rather an introvert person and often admire others for their ability to express themselves and convey meaningful thoughts and/or emotions in form of words & essentially sounds. However, moving along with music or dancing to music is a way I feel like I can express myself and give appreciation to music & musicians - so music becomes an important catalyst for expressing my own emotions and thoughts even if it is only through movements. Especially screamo (done well) is able to convey emotions, thoughts and/or opinions that one can empathise and identify with whether or not I actually understand all of the lyrics right away. I am not saying that the lyrical content is irrelevant, quite the opposite is the case (once again if done well - IMO). In this dynamic there is a strong element of identifying with each other on a human level - and confronting each other with the emotions, opinions and/or worries (even trauma - yet also joy & love) we might share - through music even though (or maybe because) most vocals are screamed. Do you have a favourite memory from hosting your show?Sorry, I have a bunch…Such as having all three members of the band, Apousia - for a live broadcast on the show - is a very special memory. Two band members, Luna and Farah - were able to join in person in the studio and drummer Assia - was calling in remotely.  Meeting & interviewing Pierce, GG, TJ and Leon from Soul Glo together with Passion is also high up there. The guest feature with Vincent Shore from Second Guessing, Karnabahar, GGGOLDDD which was the first guest feature with an in-studio guest during live broadcast.If you could pick one track to get someone into screamo, what would it be?“Tigersuit” by Raein Any plans to take the listening sessions offline and in-person? What does the future hold?Earlier this year, friends, Danny and Joran - from the band Dooie Mus and Dooie Mug Booking and I booked a show with Vibora, Oscuro Culto and Apousia at the OCCII - which was a very special experience with three incredible bands.I would love to keep booking more shows and help to get more bands to come play in Amsterdam and NL - and I am looking forward to getting more involved in this soon. I am also volunteering at the OCCII in Amsterdam - and am planning a recurring series of Screamo Listening Sessions with take-over episodes by people who are also involved and affiliated with the OCCII and the local DIY community.These take-over episodes might not feature any screamo - and can have any musical direction or radio show concept, depending on who is sitting in or taking over.  This way I hope that Screamo Listening Sessions can also be a platform for the local DIY community, since screamo as a genre is rooted in DIY culture and depending on its existence.The first edition of the OCCII take-overs will be broadcasted live on the 28th November - and I am excited to welcome Apostolis from World’s Appreciated Kitsch at the Echobox studio for this.  
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